Comments on: CLP, CBC and CBE http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/ atau dalam bahasa melayu "tanpa prejudis". Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:08:45 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: asrilamirul http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/#comment-185 asrilamirul Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:49:49 +0000 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-185 I totally agree with you Summerchild. Something need to be done. I totally agree with you Summerchild. Something need to be done.

]]> By: summerchild http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/#comment-184 summerchild Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:25:40 +0000 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-184 the only reason to revamp clp should be the fact that some of the requirements in clp are irrelevant in making a graduate "competent" as lawyer. for e.g. does a lawyer need to memorise the whole bankruptcy act, contracts act, civil law act, etc? clp exam requires these to be memorised by its candidates because the exam doesn't allow candidates to refer to statute. clp emphasises on exam, exam and exam... not on how to think like a lawyer. as for the proposal to implement cbe on local law graduates as well, i share the same concern as the blog and comments above. a lot of consideration and thorough planning needs to be done before the relevant authorities decide on putting the requirement on both local and foreign law graduates. all grad, local or foreign, ought to be treated justly and not be put with any unnecessary burden. but to put a blanket "ban" on all london external grads may be unjustified. perhaps, it's better to set a minimum result requirement for london external grads rather than de-recognising them straightaway. look at why certain people do the programme. there are quite a number of good students doing the programme & according to some of them, they do it because of $$$ reason. places in local uni are limited and even good students in STPM may not get into law faculty; some of their families are not able to afford them overseas education and they end up doing london external. currently, london external grads must have minimum 2-2 to be able to sit for clp. maybe if you find the current requirement not good enough, you may very well change the exam entry requirement for cbe, depending on the overall scenario/needs. better be slow in considering all angles of the matter than to rush the matter, in order to uphold the standard of legal practice in our country. the only reason to revamp clp should be the fact that some of the requirements in clp are irrelevant in making a graduate “competent” as lawyer. for e.g. does a lawyer need to memorise the whole bankruptcy act, contracts act, civil law act, etc? clp exam requires these to be memorised by its candidates because the exam doesn’t allow candidates to refer to statute.

clp emphasises on exam, exam and exam… not on how to think like a lawyer.

as for the proposal to implement cbe on local law graduates as well, i share the same concern as the blog and comments above. a lot of consideration and thorough planning needs to be done before the relevant authorities decide on putting the requirement on both local and foreign law graduates. all grad, local or foreign, ought to be treated justly and not be put with any unnecessary burden.

but to put a blanket “ban” on all london external grads may be unjustified. perhaps, it’s better to set a minimum result requirement for london external grads rather than de-recognising them straightaway. look at why certain people do the programme. there are quite a number of good students doing the programme & according to some of them, they do it because of $$$ reason. places in local uni are limited and even good students in STPM may not get into law faculty; some of their families are not able to afford them overseas education and they end up doing london external.

currently, london external grads must have minimum 2-2 to be able to sit for clp. maybe if you find the current requirement not good enough, you may very well change the exam entry requirement for cbe, depending on the overall scenario/needs.

better be slow in considering all angles of the matter than to rush the matter, in order to uphold the standard of legal practice in our country.

]]> By: nana http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/#comment-130 nana Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:43:21 +0000 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-130 salam saya amat setuju dengan pendapat saudara fahmi... salam
saya amat setuju dengan pendapat saudara fahmi…

]]> By: asrilamirul http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/#comment-117 asrilamirul Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:03:57 +0000 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-117 salam saudara fahmi, terima kasih kerana sudi meninggalkan komen di blog saya. Komen saudara amat saya hargai. Saudara mengatakan bahawa "Eventhough UiTM call this as a professional programme but some times the lecturer treats its students like primary school students." Pada pandangan saya ini adalah benar, namun ia tidak melibatkan semua pensyarah. Masing-masing dengan cara mereka sendiri. salam saudara fahmi,

terima kasih kerana sudi meninggalkan komen di blog saya. Komen saudara amat saya hargai.

Saudara mengatakan bahawa “Eventhough UiTM call this as a professional programme but some times the lecturer treats its students like primary school students.” Pada pandangan saya ini adalah benar, namun ia tidak melibatkan semua pensyarah. Masing-masing dengan cara mereka sendiri.

]]> By: Saudara Ahmad Fahmi http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/#comment-116 Saudara Ahmad Fahmi Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:28:17 +0000 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-116 Well, if the CBC promote more on practical training then purely on exams i must agree . I think that local law school should cut its duration from 4 years to 3 years and plus year for CBC. The CBC should be more on practical training such as attachment at legal firms , short courses at Institut Latihan Kehakiman ( ILKAP ) or even attachment at the Attorney General Chambers. I must say that the Hounours Programme ( ADIL ) conducted by ITM ( as it was known then ) has its own merit , but unfortunately the lack of professionalism among its student really destroy the programme. i.e dengki mendengki among the firms and fellow firm mates , pandang rendah terhadap pelajar LL.B ( General Degree ) , bersikap kurang hajar / biadap dengan pelajar lebih tua. Actually this is the real problem. Eventhough UiTM call this as a professional programme but some times the lecturer treats its students like primary school students. We should act more professional between the students , among fellow students and lecturers. This programme should promote more on doing research , giving more time to student to study law and apply it through practical. Thank you. Hamba Allah Well, if the CBC promote more on practical training then purely on exams i must agree . I think that local law school should cut its duration from 4 years to 3 years and plus year for CBC. The CBC should be more on practical training such as attachment at legal firms , short courses at Institut Latihan Kehakiman ( ILKAP ) or even attachment at the Attorney General Chambers. I must say that the Hounours Programme ( ADIL ) conducted by ITM ( as it was known then ) has its own merit , but unfortunately the lack of professionalism among its student really destroy the programme. i.e dengki mendengki among the firms and fellow firm mates , pandang rendah terhadap pelajar LL.B ( General Degree ) , bersikap kurang hajar / biadap dengan pelajar lebih tua. Actually this is the real problem. Eventhough UiTM call this as a professional programme but some times the lecturer treats its students like primary school students. We should act more professional between the students , among fellow students and lecturers. This programme should promote more on doing research , giving more time to student to study law and apply it through practical.

Thank you.
Hamba Allah

]]> By: Bahadur http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/#comment-95 Bahadur Fri, 23 May 2008 02:44:28 +0000 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-95 Aku rasa kitaorang kat AG lagi susah la. Kang tetiba nak kluar, nak practise dah nak kena exam plak. Wat kat foreign grad dah la wei. Just ganti je CLP tu dengan CBE. Apa nak sebok2 ngan local grad. Nyusahkan aku je. Dahla gaji kecik. Aku rasa kitaorang kat AG lagi susah la. Kang tetiba nak kluar, nak practise dah nak kena exam plak. Wat kat foreign grad dah la wei. Just ganti je CLP tu dengan CBE. Apa nak sebok2 ngan local grad. Nyusahkan aku je. Dahla gaji kecik.

]]> By: asrilamirul http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/#comment-94 asrilamirul Thu, 22 May 2008 01:26:34 +0000 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-94 buat jangan tak buat... once system bodoh ni jalan semua jadi susah... kot... buat jangan tak buat… once system bodoh ni jalan semua jadi susah… kot…

]]> By: chipmunk82 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/clp-cbc-and-cbe/#comment-93 chipmunk82 Wed, 21 May 2008 08:42:57 +0000 http://asrilamirul.wordpress.com/?p=57#comment-93 Roy, thanks for the article+long comment hehehe..I need to defend myself and delete more than 40 comments in my blog on CLP's saga. Most of the comment didn't acknowledge my ideas but more prejudice towards my English incompetency. But as I said before, the ideas are more important rather than this 'small' matter. I'm not writing for journal or books whatsoever and i wish i could improve a lot from writing in the blogs. Well, I think our gov should considered and be fair to our local law grads. Really sad when this issue has become racist rather than we considered about how it would be implement. I afraid that the intoducing of CBC and CBE would mean our Hons program would be terminated. Nauzubillah janganla. Sayang woo... As what i said before gov. should encourage those people studies in local law school rather than spend their times and money for LLB external London (but i respected those who studied in UK universities). Singapore does not allowed LLB external London to practise there and as i proposed we should follow Singapore's way to standardize their legal profession. Same in UK which have their BVC-Bar Vocational Course and i still follow how they implement here and maybe i can suggest how's UK work with that. That's just suggestion and i really hope that our law school would be protected and gov should considered certain requirements to implement soon. If not, I'm ready to face CBC and CBE to show that our grads are on par with them or even better! p/s:-ko sempat wat chambering tak?aku tak hehehe teringin nak wat la huhuhu :p Roy, thanks for the article+long comment hehehe..I need to defend myself and delete more than 40 comments in my blog on CLP’s saga. Most of the comment didn’t acknowledge my ideas but more prejudice towards my English incompetency. But as I said before, the ideas are more important rather than this ’small’ matter. I’m not writing for journal or books whatsoever and i wish i could improve a lot from writing in the blogs.

Well, I think our gov should considered and be fair to our local law grads. Really sad when this issue has become racist rather than we considered about how it would be implement. I afraid that the intoducing of CBC and CBE would mean our Hons program would be terminated. Nauzubillah janganla. Sayang woo…

As what i said before gov. should encourage those people studies in local law school rather than spend their times and money for LLB external London (but i respected those who studied in UK universities). Singapore does not allowed LLB external London to practise there and as i proposed we should follow Singapore’s way to standardize their legal profession. Same in UK which have their BVC-Bar Vocational Course and i still follow how they implement here and maybe i can suggest how’s UK work with that.

That’s just suggestion and i really hope that our law school would be protected and gov should considered certain requirements to implement soon. If not, I’m ready to face CBC and CBE to show that our grads are on par with them or even better!

p/s:-ko sempat wat chambering tak?aku tak hehehe teringin nak wat la huhuhu :p

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